Posts by Captain Obvious

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Questions/Points That Went Unanswered

by Still Recovery in

i would like to use this thread as a means of organizing all unanswered questions/points made on threads i started since obviously i could not answer something when i was banned..

Captain Obvious

If I were to make a list, it would be compiled by going through the numerous threads that were started with questions for you to answer. Perhaps you could do that yourself? You have an account now... Just remember why you were banned in the first place.

im not sure what your motivation is for coming here, but honestly... I glad you are. SOME of your arguments are some of the best I have seen from a true believer. I'm confident you would be at least as capable as my local elders to answer questions. Difference is, you can't DF me for asking them. I haven't asked you anything personally, but I do like to browse your threads.

However you do have people here a little on edge, and your ARROGANCE is so tiring. You talk down to people while making irrelevant or fallacious arguments. You may see us a bird food, you may be looking for answers to your own questions... Who knows.

I, for one, am glad that you aren't as intellectually lazy as most Dubs.

I look forward to the day the scales fall from your eyes, and the house of cards falls down for you as it has for so m any of us on here. The true ex-JW Recovery will be a great asset to the board when it happens!

Yes I say that definitely, because it is the only like possibility if you keep coming here. You know it's true... Just let it happen.

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I just could not let it pass wt july15/2012

by bobld in

page 26,p15.

'paying careful attention to any direction that we receive through jehovah's organization(gb) and applying it at once.. many who have rid themselves of needless debt can testify that applying wise counsel(of the gb) to simplify their life.

has benefited them during the recent economic crises".

Captain Obvious

The WT (like every corporation) has to switch gears to accommodate economic changes.

The first statement is so illogical. By that same line of reasoning, if I were to tell you to wash your face and brush your teeth twice a day, would I get the credit for your clear skin and clean teeth?

Yep, sounds like divine direction to me.......

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What did God accomplish with the flood?

by jam in

the purpose of the flood, because man grieved him to.

his heart, so he started over.

did his plan work?

Captain Obvious

Nothing. He accomplished nothing. Because it didn't happen. OR perhaps he just forgot to provide us with physical proof?

Just makes him look like the OT asshole he is.

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At This Point In Your Life Would You Care If You Were Disfellowshipped or Disassociated?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i'm curious..

Captain Obvious

Ok, I'll bite Elephant.

No, there's not a huge difference. It doesn't matter to most, and the announcement is the same. DAing would be easier, the letter wouldn't have to go into any detail, it just has to state that you no longer wish to be a member, or be recognized as a JW. Even an unbaptized pub. Can do this, though there is no need.

A DFing involves Judicial committees, which aren't pleasant for anybody, and could possibly be with men you've been close with for many years. As stated above, the JC arrangement is not only unscriptural, it violates human rights in many countries. If a country were to have a legal system that runs like JWs, it would be nothing short of a corrupt tyranny.

This thread isn't about the difference the question asked would you care if you were - like if you've completely successfully faded to the point that your life would hardly change if they made an announcement in your old cong.

Elephant strikes again

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Recovery and Elephant

by tornapart in

jw
friends

would love to see them debating in a thread with each other.....

Captain Obvious

Those two aren't. Here to debate with each other, they're here to slay the apostates and their LIES!

And honestly, I'm really glad they're both here. Recovery seems to put forward SOME good points, and as far as I've read, the best I've seen that the society would be able to put forward. Unfortunately, though his info and excuses explanations are good, his reasoning skills seem to be much like a watchtower study. Lots of circular reasoning.I m not qualified to get into one of those threads, but even with my limited critical thinking skills it's easy to see. Keep it up though recovery! Just before you came on the scene I remember thinking that he need another DJeggnogg.

Elephant likes to jump in on the lighter threads, and derail the hell out of them with red herrings. I've really enjoyed debating with him, but it's hard to keep it all on point. I do, however like to see a believer who isn't just here to be a snarky dick.

To both of you, I wish you all the best in your apostate slaying conquests. I wish I could have stuck to the theology of the JWs as well as you! It can't be easy to come on here and see all these things written about your beloved Org. Please know that your input is greatly appreciated. Is nice to have JW apologists who aren't arrogant assholes like DJ was, and not a hit and run like nanananana.

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What's The Worst Thing About Being A Jehovah's Witness?

by minimus in

jw
friends

for me, i think it's that the witnesses teach they are god's spokesman.

they represent his "faithful & discreet slave"....and that they alone are expounders of the only truth and that if you disagree with anything they teach, you are considered worse than vomit.. it's unbelievable because these people are wrong so many times, it cannot be excused!.

as a witness, you must accept every viewpoint and if you (and your family) do not accept it all, hook, line and sinker, you are "apostates"!!!.

Captain Obvious

While BEING a witness, I'd say growing up resenting your family's faith, even if you're a believer. Always feeling different than your school friends, who can't get too close because there's that friendship line they can't cross.

Then after growing up, getting married and THEN waking up, the worst part is not knowing HOW or even IF you'll be able to wake up any family or friends. That's even worse than realizing you've been in a CULT your whole life.

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Quoting out of context - ever justified?

by cognisonance in

jw literature on subjects such as creation vs. evolution often quote out of context, with the most recent material (the newest brochures) acknowledging that often those quoted to support the jw viewpoint do believe in evolution nonetheless.

sometimes indeed quotes in jw literature are just outright misquotes, leaving off preceding or succeeding words (or sentences) that would completely alter the meaning of the source sited (i.e.

carl sagans quote, the fossil evidence could be consistent with the idea of a great designer is indeed a flat out misquote).. .

Captain Obvious

Cognisonance

Not sure if you got a proper welcome to the board or not, but.. Welcome! I think you will be a valuable member here.

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Quoting out of context - ever justified?

by cognisonance in

jw literature on subjects such as creation vs. evolution often quote out of context, with the most recent material (the newest brochures) acknowledging that often those quoted to support the jw viewpoint do believe in evolution nonetheless.

sometimes indeed quotes in jw literature are just outright misquotes, leaving off preceding or succeeding words (or sentences) that would completely alter the meaning of the source sited (i.e.

carl sagans quote, the fossil evidence could be consistent with the idea of a great designer is indeed a flat out misquote).. .

Captain Obvious

WalkingHome Welcome to the board! How about an intro post?

The WT has never been shy about misquoting experts' work. Almost every article about creation/evolution, and 607 will contain at least SOME misleading information. They are no better than the Christian Fundies who still believe the earth really was created in 6 days.

They don't stop there, though. Having never taught the R&F to read the bible properly in context, scriptures are regularly mis-applied or taken WAY out of context in talks and discourses. He many times have you heard an OT text applied to the preaching work? Or heard Jesus' words applied to all Christians when he was clearly speaking to one person? Or my favorite, trying to apply a proverb (4:18 anyone?) as a prophecy for the last days. I realize that this thread is meant to discuss more recent works taken out of context, but if they are more than willing to misquote the bible which they respect above all others, should it be a surprise that they would abuse some worldly heathen's work?

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Governing Body Meddling In Private Bedroom Affairs

by Bangalore in

governing body meddling in private bedroom affairs.. .

in chapter three of his book "crisis of conscience" ray franz mentions that the gb interfered in the private bedroom matters of the jw's.

here is an excerpt from that chapter.. .

Captain Obvious

God I'm glad I wasn't around back then. Married people couldn't go down on each other, people in Malawi getting killed while people in Mexico could get away with a bribe. Need a liver? Too bad, go die instead. OH, and don't forget, Armageddon is mere months away!

And they say things are much worse today... I don't see it. The Borg is still terrible, but back then I don't know how they ever got new converts.

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Sympathy for the (Devil),, I Mean Governing Body

by frankiespeakin in

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should we feel some sympathy for the governing body?

after all they have taken on thr reins of power over a corporation that has very bad,, dead end business stradagy based on a dellusional idea that the end of the world would come based on dates found or imagined in the bible,, a book about ancient deity worship with all its superstition about what make him angry and mad.. they have bought into this dellusion with their heart and soul,,they stand to loss big time now that the internet is here,, the internet is their satan and his demons on the net are taking aim..

Captain Obvious

I agree with BOC... Pity, at most.

Thats not to say I wouldn't love to see every one of 'em embarrassed in a courtroom.